@pjourneypod You can listen to the whole episode here:

💻 Web: https://share.transistor.fm/s/8c6dbd49
🍎 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/problems-worth-solving/id1477619025?i=1000463793092
🌥️ Overcast: https://overcast.fm/+T3kjT_Z4c